Rechtbank Amsterdam: Moszcowicz spioneerde in zaak Wilders

Nederlands bekendste strafpleiter Bram Moszkowicz heeft zich in het strafproces tegen PVV-Tweede Kamerlid Geert Wilders schuldig gemaakt aan ‘spionage’ om op die manier de behandeling van de rechtszaak tegen zijn cliënt naar zijn hand te kunnen zetten. Deze en andere ‘ernstige beschuldigingen’ zouden staan in een ‘venijnige klachtbrief’ aan het adres van Moszkowicz die de Amsterdamse rechtbank onlangs naar de deken van de Orde van Advocaten in de hoofdstad heeft gestuurd. Dat onthulde misdaad-journalist John van den Heuvel van dagblad De Telegraaf vanavond tijdens een debat aan de universiteit Maastricht over de rol van de media in het strafrecht.

Voor een publiek van zo’n vierhonderd rechtenstudenten gaf Van den Heuvel aan dat hij in de Telegraaf van morgen uitgebreid verslag doet van de brief, die hij volgens eigen zeggen persoonlijk onder ogen heeft gekregen. De Telegraaf-journalist onthulde het nieuws rond de vermeende spionage overigens pas na lang aandringen door avondvoorzitter Twan Huys (onder meer bekend van het tv-programma Nieuwsuur).

In de brief van de Amsterdamse rechtbank zou onder meer de beschuldiging staan dat Moszkowicz tijdens de behandeling van de zaak ‘undercoveragenten’ heeft ingezet om in de gangen van het gerechtsgebouw  bepaalde zaken aan de weet te komen waarmee hij gaandeweg het verloop van het proces zijn voordeel zou kunnen doen.

Verder beticht de Amsterdamse rechtbank de advocaat van het traineren van de zaak door zich op gezette tijden niet beschikbaar te houden voor de zitting.

Opmerkelijk genoeg krijgt Moszkowicz van de rechtbank ook het verwijt dat hij ‘te kort gepleit’ heeft, aldus Van den Heuvel, een feit waarmee hij de rechtbank op het verkeerde been zou hebben gezet. De strafpleiter had voorafgaande aan de reeks zittingen aangegeven zeker tien uur nodig te hebben voor zijn pleidooi in de zaak, maar uiteindelijk bleek hij aan vier uur genoeg te hebben.

(maastricht.dichtbij.nl / 08.11.2011)

ISRAEL calling to “wipe Iran off the map” all along!

 

It is a sad state of affairs and very ugly indeed when things have to be fabricated or made up to make others appear evil and even genocidal, when in truth they are not. The truth is Ahmadinejad never said “wipe Israel off the map”. That phrase is an invention by MEMRI — the neocons propaganda tool that mistranslates articles written in the Middle East and demonizes Arabs and Islam. The “wipe off the map” statement, attributed to Iran, provides Jews another opportunity to go on a self pitying, persecution campaign
as they are doing now to justify attacking Iran. It is a bold faced lie like so
many others they have told in the past. What Ahmadinejad did say was to repeat Imam Khomeini’s statement about regime change in Israel similar to what happened in South Africa. It was not a genocidal statement like these lying, self pitying, desperate for world sympathy Jews have been pushing. But it was a statement reflecting a change in government providing justice to all unlike the racist, barbaric Jewish regime ruling over the Palestinians today.

But let’s look at Jewish actions against Iran like in the following link and excerpt:

At the top of AIPAC’s 1996 agenda, Grossman said, is legislation to boost Israel’s military technology and to put the squeeze on Iran.”If you think about the strategic threat to Israel long-term,” Grossman said, “it’s the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and…the spread of Islamic fundamentalism.” Iran excels in both areas, he said…
Boxer, AIPAC lead efforts to cut off Iranian exports

When do you think this article was written? Recently?
No, it was written in December, 1995!!! It was published long before Amadinejad was elected president and before Iran announced it was interested in developing nuclear energy. In effect, the Israeli Lobby had declared its own war on Iran long before the current situation. Read the article to see how vehement AIPAC was even back then in seeking Iran’s destruction.

A big fuss is being made in main stream media about Iran wanting to “wipe Israel off the map”. In any discussion about Iran that point is brought up over and over again to show the “Hitler” qualities of Iran that must be checked by a nuclear attack from the U.S. But the reality is that it is a bold faced lie. The Israeli government has been calling for the extermination of Iran publicly numerous times for many years now. Did anyone make a fuss about that? Here are just a few examples (and I can list many more) taken from headlines of articles calling for Iran’s extermination by Israel — long before anything was claimed to be said about Israel by Iran:

November 5, 2002 “Times/UK” “Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends”, demands Israel!
By Stephen Farrell, Robert Thomson and Danielle Haas  http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1105-02.htm

September 30, 2004 “The Insider” Israel Instructs America To Attack Iran And Syria
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0614

March 16, 2005 “U.S. Crusade” Israel’s Broken Record – Attack Iran
By Kurt Nimmo http://www.uscrusade.com/index.php?blog=3&cat=16

February 6, 2005 “WhatReallyHappened” U.S. – Israel Plans To Strike Iran’s Nuclear Sites Finalized
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/week_2005_02_06.html

June 14, 2005 “The NewYork Sun” SPY CASE REVEALS ISRAELI PLOT TO PLANT IRAN WMD DATA
BY ELI LAKE – Staff Reporter of the Sun http://www.nysun.com/national/details-of-a-plot-unveiled-in-case-against/15374/

Dec 5, 2005 “MichNews”  Netanyahu: “If elected, I won’t hesitate to order a pre-emptive strike on Iran”
By Ryan Jones, JNewsWire.com  http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10634.shtml

YouTube – Israel / U.S. Plans To Nuke Iran – what will …
What terrible plans may be in store for Iran if the neo-cons …  Watch video – 4 min 53 sec –
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaH41xRt3og

January 7, 2007  Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran – Times Online ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1290331.ece

– Similar pages

April 18, 2009 “From The Times” Israel stands ready to bomb Iran’s nuclear sites  The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran’s nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government… http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece

15 JANUARY 2007 Israel plans to nuke Iran. In the reports below, The Sunday Times have just revealed new evidence that Israel is currently planning to launch a nuclear attack against Iran. …
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4380

Now, imagine if Iran had been saying those things about Israel? Today’s demonization of Iran claiming that Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust, Iran’s pursuit for nuclear weapons and their desire to “wipe Israel off the map” is a ploy, an excuse presented to non-Jews to give Israel the justification for what they have been wanting to do all along. For the record the following is what
Iran’s president said. Compare it to what Israel has been saying about Iran for many years now, as in the articles above, and judge for your self which statements are more genocidal:

The Actual Quote:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi: “Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.”

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word “regime.” pronounced just like the English word with an extra “eh” sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the
country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase
“rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods” (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want “wiped from the map”? The answer is: nothing. That’s because the word “map” was never used. The Persian word for map, “nagsheh” is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase “wipe out” ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran’s president threatened to “wipe Israel off the map.” despite never having uttered the words “map.” “wipe out” or even “Israel.”

‘Wiped off the Map’ – The Rumor of the Century

(www.ascertainthetruth.com / 08.11.2011)

Occupy News form Palestine 08.11.2011

A Palestinian farmer, his wife and her sister were arrested Monday by IOF for working on their land in the village of Irtas, near Bethlehem.

Settlers Mon uprooted at least 30olive trees that belong 2Palestinian villagers of Madama village, south of Nablus

Six Israeli warplanes Tuesday entered Lebanese airspace in violation of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) Resolution 1701

BREAKING NEWS | Israeli shelling in the northern #Gaza Strip, Safa correspondent reported. (Gaza time: 21:54) #freedomwaves

BREAKING NEWS| Israel attacked the Sudaniyeh area, in the northern Gaza Strip. One Palestinian was taken to Al-Shifa

BREAKING NEWS | Israeli drone fired missile towards the road Sallah eldin near Khan Younis, according local sources.

Israeli army, intelligence websites back

JERUSALEM – The websites of Israel’s military, Mossad and Shin Bet intelligence services are back online after what officials say was a “server crash”.

The three sites, along with numerous other government websites, crashed on Sunday, two days after the international hackers’ group Anonymous apparently threatened to take action after Israel blocked two boats of pro-Palestinian activists from reaching the blockaded Gaza Strip.

All three sites appeared to be working normally on Monday after being unavailable all day on Sunday.

A spokesman for the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose website was not affected, blamed the outage on a “server malfunction” technical glitch rather than an attack by hackers.

“Israeli government websites crashed today because of a server malfunction, not as a result of a cyber attack,” Ofir Gendelman wrote in a posting on Twitter late on Sunday.

The sites went down shortly after a video was posted on YouTube, allegedly by “hacktivist” group Anonymous, threatening the Israeli government with retaliation after Friday’s interception of two activist vessels which had been hoping to run Israel’s naval blockade on the territory. Last year, hackers associated with Anonymous launched retaliatory attacks on companies perceived to be enemies of the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks.

An earlier attempt to run the Gaza blockade in May 2010 ended in bloodshed when Israeli naval commandos stormed the lead vessel of a six-ship flotilla, killing nine Turkish activists and sparking a wave of international condemnation – and a flurry of new attempts to reach the coastal enclave.

The video accused the Jewish state of “piracy on the high seas” and warned that if it continued to block ships heading to Gaza “then you will leave us no choice but to strike back”.

It was not immediately possible to confirm whether the video was posted by Anonymous, which has been involved in scores of hacking exploits, many of them targeting governments.

(www.fijitimes.com /08.11.2011)

Mideast envoys to meet Israelis, Palestinians

WASHINGTON — International Mideast mediators will hold separate talks with the Israelis and Palestinians this week in a bid to re-launch stalled peace talks after a series of setbacks that have badly damaged prospects for negotiations, the State Department said Tuesday.

Senior diplomats from the U.S., U.N., Russia and European Union will meet on Friday in Jerusalem with Israeli and Palestinian negotiators, department spokesman Victoria Nuland told reporters. The group, known as the “Quartet,” is trying to bring the two sides back to the table with the goal of reaching a deal by the end of next year.

Despite its efforts, the parties are far away from resuming negotiations. The Palestinians have refused to talk unless Israel halts settlement activity, and Israel has retaliated against the Palestinians over their bid for U.N. recognition.

Last week, the Palestinians won membership in the U.N. cultural organization, prompting Israel to announce it would speed up settlement construction in disputed territory and withhold millions of dollars in tax money it collects for the Palestinians.

“We’ve had a cycle of action and reaction that we thought was counterproductive and difficult, so (we want) to try to improve the atmosphere,” Nuland said. “We want to get these parties back to focusing on the Quartet proposal for how they can move forward to narrow the gaps between them, and not focused on other issues that can do damage to the environment for peace.”

On Sept. 23, the Quartet called on the two sides to hold a preliminary meeting within a month to discuss the parameters of formal
peace talks and then to return within 90 days with proposals on land swaps and security. The preliminary meeting never happened, although the Quartet convened the two sides separately on Oct. 26.

“The objective (is) to encourage them and offer support to them and assistance to them in coming up with proposals for each other on land and on security, which we would hope could be exchanged within 90 days from the end of October,” Nuland said.

Ahead of the quartet’s meetings, the Obama administration’s special Mideast peace envoy, David Hale, will meet separately on Nov. 13 with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli negotiator Yitzhak Molcho, Nuland said.

(www.cbsnews.com / 08.11.2011)

Waarom geen aanval op Israël?

Het is nu of nooit. Dat zei de Duitse keizer in augustus 1914. Nog langer wachten, en de kans om de Engelsen en Fransen te verslaan was voorgoed verkeken. Met eenfrische fröhliche Krieg wilde Wilhelm die twee landen een lesje leren. Datzelfde geluid klinkt nu in kringen van de Israëlische regering. Nú Iran aanvallen, want straks is het te laat! Over zes maanden beschikt Iran over een atoombom, zo wordt daar gefluisterd. En dan verkeert Israël in levensgevaar. Met name premier Netanyahu schijnt een voorstander te zijn van een dergelijke ‘preventieve aanval’. Collega-ministers aarzelen of zijn tegen – maar de ultra-orthodoxe coalitiepartijen Israël ons huis en Shasstaan bijna te springen van enthousiasme. Eindelijk oorlog!

Israël in gevaar? Geklets natuurlijk. Israël beschikt zélf over meerdere atoombommen en kan, in geval van een Iraanse aanval, met véél meer atoomgeweld terugslaan. Begin deze maand lanceerden de Israëli’s nog een langeafstandsraket die met gemak Iran kan bereiken. Als het bewind in Iran het volstrekt dwaze besluit neemt haar eerste bommetje gelijk ergens te droppen, tekent het zijn eigen doodvonnis. Atoombommen zijn om mee te dreigen. Ze verstoren het politiek evenwicht niet, ze versterken het. Atoommachten vallen elkaar niet aan – als de Koude Oorlog ons één ding heeft geleerd, dan is het dát.

Blufpoker
Volgens sommigen is het blufpoker. De IAEA komt deze week met een rapport over Iran, en daarin zal ongetwijfeld te lezen zijn dat Teheran nucleair onderzoek doet dat gericht is op de ontwikkeling van een atoombom. Met haar agressieve optreden, zo wordt gezegd, probeert Israël de VN over te halen zo streng mogelijke sancties af te spreken – de Fransen hebben daar nu al toe opgeroepen. Als dat zo is, dan is dat een vorm van diplomatie die we meer gewend zijn van frisse types als Gadaffi en Mugabe. Maar voor Netanyahu en zijn makkers zijn hiermee méér voordeeltjes te behalen.

Buitenlandse boeman
Het land verkeert in een ernstig isolement, dat alleen maar groter wordt. Het kan wel een buitenlandse boeman gebruiken, want die worden nogal zeldzaam. Ooit kon Israël zichzelf presenteren als dat kleine sprankje democratie in het Midden-Oosten. Een eiland van welvaart en beschaving in een zee van barbarij. Goed, het land valt niet te regeren zonder de steun van radicale orthodoxe partijen die de Palestijnen het liefst op oudtestamentische wijze over de kling zouden jagen. En goed, het houdt wat gebieden bezet, en de bewoners daarvan worden gediscrimineerd, dagelijks vernederd, uit hun huizen gezet, van hun grond en goed beroofd, en ga zo maar door – maar ja, buiten Israël was alles nog véél erger – niet?

Economische dwerg
Nee, niet meer. Ten eerste: Israël is een economische dwerg geworden in de regio. De Turkse economie is inmiddels vijf keer zo groot als die van Israël en groeit nog steeds fenomenaal – en Turkije wás ooit een bevriende natie maar heeft de laatste jaren héél duidelijk de kant van de Arabische wereld gekozen. Israël drijft op Amerikaans geld – maar zakt in feite af naar derde-wereldstatus. Ten tweede, Tunesië, Libië en Egypte zouden wel eens democratieën kunnen worden. Met een beetje geluk wordt Syrië dat ook. Wellicht democratieën met wat fundamentalistische partijtjes die de sharia willen invoeren, maar dat is perfect vergelijkbaar met die religieus-hysterische schreeuwpartijtjes in Israël. En waarschijnlijk kun je daar nooit bij de Burgerlijke Stand opgeven dat je ‘ongelovig’ bent, maar dat kun je in die democratie Israël óók niet – daar is iedereen voor de staat verplicht ‘joods’. Over derdewereldland gesproken.

Maar er is één groot verschil: die nieuwe Arabische democratieën hebben geen bezette gebieden. En hun komst zal  een enorme stimulans zijn voor het Palestijnse verzet. Israël gaat zéér zware jaren tegemoet. Inschikken, onderhandelen – dat zou wijs zijn. Maar daar is het land niet toe in staat. Een gemeenschappelijke boeman (Iran! Kernwapens! O wat zijn we kwetsbaar!) is dus zeer welkom.

Israëlische arrogantie

Ondertussen wordt de hele wereld behoorlijk zenuwachtig van de Israëlische gedreig. De Amerikaanse minister van Defensie Panetta heeft de Israëli’s in het geheim gevraagd van tevoren op de hoogte te worden gebracht van een eventuele aanval, maar hij kreeg (naar het schijnt) nul op rekest. Washington zal wel zien wat er gebeurt. Het is de ouderwetse Israëlische arrogantie, ontstaan doordat het land ruim dertig jaar onverkort kan rekenen op Amerikaanse steun – wat het ook flikt. En het stupide verhaal van enige weken geleden over een door Iran beraamde aanslag op de Saoedische ambassadeur in Washington (paniek! Alarm! En daarna werd het héél stil…) geeft wel aan dat er ook binnen de VS krachten zijn die richting een confrontatie bewegen.

Roekeloze aanval
Jeruzalem weet dat dreigen met een aanval voorlopig voldoende oplevert. Maar er kan een moment komen dat men daar, net als keizer Wilhelm, tot de conclusie komt dat de aanval de enige optie is. Dat een roekeloze aanval op Iran de enige manier om de wereldkaart eens flink overhoop te gooien – om te vermijden dat het land anders langzaam maar zeker steeds meer macht zal verliezen. De gevolgen van een dergelijke aanval zien uiteraard niet te overzien. Als Israël toeslaat, zullen de VS ongetwijfeld haar kant kiezen. En de Britten hebben al laten weten dat ook zij dan de kant van Israël en de VS zullen kiezen. Het is het recept voor een herhaling van het Amerikaanse Irak-drama. Maar dan op nog grotere schaal, veel bloediger en met catastrofale internationale gevolgen. De rest van wereld (Frankrijk, Duitsland, Rusland, India, China) zal bereid zijn om, als het zo ver dreigt te komen, een dergelijke catastrofe te voorkomen. Een preventieve aanval op Israël is dan waarschijnlijk de snelste oplossing.

Dit is het persoonlijke blog van Marcel Hulspas, wetenschapsredacteur en columnist van De Pers en DePers.nl.

(www.depers.nl / 08.11.2011)

No consensus on Palestinian UN bid

A draft report by a key UN Security Council committee declared that members could not reach consensus on whether Palestine should be accepted as a UN member state.

“The committee was unable to make a unanimous recommendation to the Security Council,” said the draft report of the council’s committee on admitting new member states, circulated to all 15 Security Council members.

The four-page draft appears to confirm that the Palestinian move to join the world body as a full member, which Western envoys said was doomed from the outset due to a US vow to veto it if it ever came to a vote in the council, is set to fail due to the council’s unresolvable deadlock.

Although it is the UN General Assembly that makes decisions on UN membership, an applicant state needs prior Security Council approval before it can go to the assembly.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas applied for full UN membership for the state of Palestine on Sept. 23.

The Palestinians can still call for a vote in the Security Council, but UN diplomats said on condition of anonymity that it is not clear whether they will do so given that Washington will likely not even need to use its veto to block it.

The Palestinians would score a moral victory and force Washington to cast its veto if they are able to muster nine votes to support them in the council. A council resolution needs nine votes in favor and no vetoes to pass.

But UN diplomats say the Palestinians have so far secured only eight backers.

Divided security council

The draft report details how the council is divided into three groups – those planning to support the Palestinian bid, those opposing it and those planning to abstain from any vote on it. It does not identify the countries.

The draft says some countries support “as an intermediate step, (that) the General Assembly should adopt a resolution by which Palestine would be made an Observer State.”

The Palestinians already have status as an observer “entity,” but have suggested they might seek upgrading that status to that of a non-member observer state, like the Vatican. Such enhanced status would give them a higher profile and implicitly recognize Palestine as a state.

Council diplomats said that at a meeting last week Russia, China, Brazil, India, Lebanon and South Africa supported the Palestinian bid, the United States opposed it, and Britain, France and Colombia said they would abstain if there were a vote.

Gabon and Nigeria, expected to support the Palestinians, and Germany and Portugal, expected to abstain, did not spell out their positions and Bosnia did not speak.

Bosnia is also thought likely to abstain because its Muslim, Serb and Croat collective presidency cannot agree.

Both the United States and Israel say the Palestinian push in the United Nations is unilateral and an attempt to bypass peace talks, whose resumption Abbas has conditioned on an Israeli freeze of settlement activity in occupied territory.

The Palestinians say those negotiations have failed to bring them closer to the independent state they seek in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip. They say it is time to try a different approach.

The committee’s report may be revised before it is formally presented to the Security Council on Friday, envoys said.

(tvnz.co.nz / 08.11.2011)

Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a “liar”

French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “a liar” in a private conversation with President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week’s G20 summit in Cannes.

“I cannot bear Netanyahu, he’s a liar,” Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.

“You’re fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,” Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.

The technical gaffe is likely to cause great embarrassment to all three leaders as they look to work together to intensify international pressure on Iran over its nuclear ambitions.

The conversation was not initially reported by the small group of journalists who overheard it because it was considered private and off-the-record. But the comments have since emerged on French websites and can be confirmed by Reuters.

White House press secretary Jay Carney declined to comment on the conversation when asked by reporters traveling with Obama to an event in Philadelphia.

Obama’s apparent failure to defend Netanyahu is likely to be leapt on by his Republican foes, who are looking to unseat him in next year’s presidential election and have portrayed him as hostile to Israel, Washington’s closest ally in the region.

Pushing Netanyahu risks alienating Israel’s strong base of support among the U.S. public and in Congress.

Netanyahu’s office declined immediate comment.

Obama and Netanyahu have had a rocky relationship as U.S. efforts to broker a Middle East peace deal have foundered, with the U.S. president openly criticizing Jewish settlement building in the occupied Palestinian territories.

It was unclear why exactly Sarkozy had criticized Netanyahu. However, European diplomats have largely blamed Israel for the breakdown in peace talks and have expressed anger over Netanyahu’s approval of large-scale settlement building.

PALESTINIAN WORRIES

During their bilateral meeting on November 3, on the sidelines of the Cannes summit, Obama criticized Sarkozy’s surprise decision to vote in favor of a Palestinian request for membership of the U.N. cultural heritage agency UNESCO.

“I didn’t appreciate your way of presenting things over the Palestinian membership of UNESCO. It weakened us. You should have consulted us, but that is now behind us,” Obama was quoted as saying.

The October 31 UNESCO vote marked a success for the Palestinians in their broader thrust for recognition as a sovereign state in the U.N. system — a unilateral initiative fiercely opposed by Israel and the United States.

As a result of the vote, Washington was compelled to halt its funding for UNESCO under a 1990s law that prohibits Washington from giving money to any U.N. body that grants membership to groups that do not have full, legal statehood.

Obama told Sarkozy that he was worried about the impact if Washington had to pull funding from other U.N. bodies such as the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization and the IAEA nuclear watchdog if the Palestinians gained membership there.

“You have to pass the message along to the Palestinians that they must stop this immediately,” Obama said.

The day the conversation took place, the Palestinians announced that they would not seek membership of any other U.N. agency.

Sarkozy confirmed that France would not take any unilateral decisions when the U.N. Security Council discusses a Palestinian  membership request, a debate expected later this month.

“I am with you on that,” Obama replied.

(www.reuters.com / 08.11.2011)